Looking for Love in All the Wrong Places
Will there be a time when the terms “marriage” and “love marriage” will be synonymous in India? Can I rely on meeting someone, spending time with her, falling in love, and getting married? I sure hope that is a possibility. I hope I am not deluding myself. I prefer meeting a girl outside of an arranged marriage scenario. This is mostly due to a desire to get to know someone before rather than after marriage although I could do the latter if I had to. The other very practial issue, though of fluctuating importance, is that I am realizing with the extended family I interact with, it may not be possible to meet the kind of girl I would like to meet. They simply may not be able to introduce me to her.
Most of my extended family has a circle that is different than who I am and who I am looking for. This circle would follow a strict definition of arranged marriages. The decision would be based on horoscopes matching and what not. This is not a desirable route! Not being able to count on appropriate introductions through family or the horoscope matching process being the preferred route, I am now shifting my focus to meeting someone on my own, while being open to the occassional introduction. As I am finding out, meeting people in a new city and that city being New Delhi is easier said than done.
As I was talking to Rita (see my post “Marriages in the New India”), I started to wonder if I my approach to finding someone on my own is the right way to find a girl. If love marriages are not working, then why should I be seeking one out? Rita said “you don’t know someone until you live with them”. I know this all too well (which is another post at another time). She also said while dating “everyone puts their best foot forward”. I found this notion interesting. So let me talk about that.
Why would you want to put your best foot forward when you are dating? I can imagine doing that early on in the relationship. However, if the dating lasts for any extended period of time, say over 9 months, and you are seeing each other a few times a week, why (or how) would you not be yourself and let the good and the bad be shown? Why would you not show your thinking, your feelings, your attitude, your perceptions, your quirks, your pet peeves, your strengths and your weaknesses? Isn’t this what getting to know someone means? Isn’t this the purpose of dating? That, of course, is still not the same as living with a person day in and day out but I think the question is still valid at least to some level.
This discussion raised the question in my mind – is there something substantially different about dating relationships in the US and in India? Do people approach it the same? Are the behaviors and expectations the same? Are their day-to-day interactions the same? Or, at a different level altogether, is there something fundamentally separate at work – are people raised in the US equipped with a different mindset than people in India that makes the practice of dating incomparable?
So am I setting myself up for a gigantic fall by wanting to date someone here? I am different than the people who Rita is talking about. They were born and raised here. I was born in India and raised in the US. As Indian as I am, this has undoubtedly affected my thinking, my outlook, and my expectations of what should happen and will happen in a relationship. I behave differently. I see relationships differently (if not completely, at least partially). I may even see the whole approach to dating differently, I don’t know. I may expect the cues to be different.
Or does none of this matter? Is the person more important? Is the compatibility between her and me more important than any of these cultural differences? I believe it is more important but by no means will it be true across the board in my interactions with a girl I may date in India. There will surely be times when the cultural differences appear in different assumed understanding of behaviors, expectations, and attitudes. And that’s the problem I fear. Her and my expectations may be assumedly different and neither of us may know when and how they are different.
To go back to the original issue I was discussing, if love marriages are not functioning as well as arranged marriages, then what the heck am I thinking? Or does it not matter because I am different and so any relationship I get into won’t be the same as a relationship between two people who were raised in India.
Now, at a level not directly relevant to me, but something that does affect me because one cannot discount one’s environment, why are love marriages not working? How many people are similar to Rita’s friends? How many have different experiences? How are those experiences different?
I am barely at the tip of these issues so I cannot claim to know the reason(s) why love marriages may be less successful (anecdotely and thus far in time) in India than arranged ones. I can take educated guesses, though, combining my estimation and understanding of things along with Rita’s comments. Discussion to be continued in my next post.
Well, for one, I think whether it be a love or an arranged marriage, the chances of its working out is quite like 50-50. In a love marriage, you know the person quite well. not inside out I must say (cz’ there , I agree with your friend Rita when she says that noone can be understood unless you live with them for awhile!) but so-so…
The mentality of an Indian is much different from that of somebody from a foreign land. People here are brought up in a different manner. Their opinions and principles are different. And howmuchever equality and female modernisation has occured, still the basic underlining fact is that girls are still treated like girls and guys are still treated like guys. A girl has much more restrictions even in this present society than a guy for whom there is a levy on everything! (Which by the way I dont think is fair or right.) That must be the reason why the dating scenario is different in India from the US. I have been born and brought up in India but I would agree with you on all the facts you have just mentioned in your post now.
But, in India, if a guy and a girl is seen talking, immediately eople ogle and stare and come to the conclusion that there is something between them! Once you are married, somehow, the entire persona changes! ..
Although I know not more.. It is a very interesting question you have raised with this post…
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Well, before I comment on your comment, I have to first say thanks for writing back. It’s good to know someone is reading my blog, even if it is just one person. I hope you keep checking back. By the way, congratulations on your upcoming marriage. 20 days you say! Well, I am sure that will just go by like nothing. You surely sound happy and tensed. I’m sure it will take some time to adjust to everyone and have them adjust to you, but I’m sure it will happen.
As for your comments – what you say about guys and girls being treated differently surely has something to do with why dating is different. What you are talking about is at the practical level. But it’s more than that. There is a fundamental difference in people and how they view relationships, how they act in them, what they expect, how they communicate. While things are not equal in India socially, I think it’s a big mistake when desis think the US is all about equality. Trust me, it’s not! Yes, it is more equal but far from utopian. Men and women are the same worldwide generally speaking. The roles people play (or more importantly, are expected to play) are similar. There may not be the central mother-in-law / daughter-in-law relationship as there is in India but roles, expected and performed, are not all that different between husband and wife. I think desis have a skewed perspective on American life.
The thing I like about India changing is that a bit of distance/freedom of expression/independence is starting to creep in to those relationships. They seem more freer, more mutually beneficial, although again far from utopian. It’s gone from one extreme to closer to a middle ground (but still not middle). Earlier, it seemed like people are actually out there to hurt each other while all along saying they were not. I still see that today, even in my own life. But generally I think parents are relenting to the fact that not everything was good the way it was in their time. Moms may be saying to their daughters – “I couldn’t have done that but you can and you should”.
firstly.. im sure many more will begin reading your posts..cz’ they are quite interesting topics and very valid too.. just keep tag surfing..
its true when you say about the generation changes and the indian culture moving more towards a middle region.. When you think about stuff,dont you think that even though women all over the world keep talking about equality.. they still expect men to behav like a gentleman and open the door for them, stand when a woman enters.. and other things in the same way.. i mean.. if u ask me, i would love a man who does those small things.. but then too that doesnt mean that i dont want equality..
i wanna be treated equal.. but i guess what women want is not the extremem equality.. they still want the gentleman..
i knw this post doesnt much concern what we were talking about.. but i felt this was also a fact in relationships…
It’s a whole discussion onto itself – women today want it all! I have been struggling with this for a while now, don’t get me started on that.
It’s also not just about wanting a gentleman or the small things, women want the small and the large things today. They want the benefits of how men used to treat women back in the day, but they also want equality of the modern world. Frankly, for a man, it’s not a good place to be these days. Don’t get me wrong, I am one of those guys that believes chivalry is not dead, but I have to admit sometimes the unfairness of equality also bugs me.
In India, things may not be as bad for men as in the US, especially in the Indian community there. Our generation of the South Asian community in the US sees females “dominating” generally speaking, ie, a role reversal. The men are more passive than our father’s generation. It’s a complex issue and I am generalizing, but I think the trend does hold true.
“They want the benefits of how men used to treat women back in the day, but they also want equality of the modern world” very true.. i gotto say i too am guilty of wanting this!!!
but what can a girl do.. i guess like how she says in “P.S. I Love You” , girls dont really know what it is that they want exactly!!!
so.. it sure can be a really hard place for a guy to live in these days
it must be really bad for the south indian population in the U.S. right..
then why dont you try to settle here somewhere in india itself?
First – glad you admitted girls want it all now. Most want it but won’t admit it, in fact, will defend it!
Why don’t I settle here? I do intend to do that. But as one of my main points of the blog, being 1.5 Generation Indian, I am neither from here nor from there. And it sucks. When I’m there, I’m too Indian. When I’m here, I’m too firangi. It’s a struggle both places to tell you the truth. And there are pros and cons in both places.
Having too many options (I wrote a post on this) is not good. I can easily live here and I can live there. If I can find a great girl here and have no reason to go to the US, I won’t go back. That’s why I say I’m “looking for love in all the wrong places”.
lolz! honey.. all what you say are problems faced by almost everyone your age in this situation i guess..
but what i could tellyou would be that to stop “looking” for love..
cz’ believe me. It finds you at the most unexpected of times in the most unexpected of places!!!
It is when I finally stopped looking for love and began enjoying my single-hood that I finally fell in love with the man Im going to marry.. I had known him before too.. but I never thought I was deeply in love with him.. i struck me much later..
well…. i just read all that and.. let me tell you something… i lived in the states for a couple of months and didnt like it… i moved to canada trying to find true love what i thought i had… buti got wrong… then.. i said… fuck off…. ill just do my thing… one day reading the news paper, one of the writters reffered to a web site where lots of people meet…. i tried that get a prof (again… ) and finally… i met lots of people.. some of them jerks some of them noice but like friends… one day some indian guy ask me for coffee.. i never had the chance to even read some thing about it… he helped me one night to do some things at home… and that was it…..i started reading more and more….. and i can tell you now that he is so worth it… we have been together for a month and we both agree that it looks we know each other like since a long time… he has the same thought about not living together, get married and always forever……
nice….. yeah… he is great.. he has his… moods and hindian stuff.. however… i love him.. he is so happy since the day i met him… hahaha LOL…. the good thing is , he is indian, we both live in canada, but i was 100% made and borned in chile, south america.. he never thought even about meeting one… (he thought i was european, cuz i look like one)… and i never imagine having an incredible affair with an indian guy, knowing there are lots here in canada……
the news…. we are getting married in november…. in india… we settle in canada .. well maybe.. i think that is up to me.. and them marry in chile too…. to come back to our place….
i was looking something… something i thought it was for me… the what everyone expected… one day he just found me….. and he never thought about a latin girl like me… im an aries he is a taurus…. i dont know how that works out… but we are a good couple… pleople see us and think we have been together since a long time…..
he had a girl in india… she maried another guy like ten years ago… and he remainded single like for 7 years……. now… he is 29 im 25….. and we never thought it was gonna be like that…..
india…. i just say it and i laugh…. but he is awesome…. that is why i love him…..
i stumbled on this blog quite late. but anyway, i still would like to share my views…
I got interested in it when an Indian friend told me that love marriages is not allowed in India. My first reaction was like — what’s that? because i believe, when a couple gets married, that means they are in love. so i was confused with the term love marriage. i did some research and now i understand that arranged marriage is an Indian culture.
i just cannot imagine myself being into an arranged marriage. although, not all marriage (or love marriage for that matter) succeeds, it still would depend on how the couple will maintain the spark/love between them even after years of being together. but being married with somebody who was just arranged for you based on horoscope and compatibility (this is ridiculous!), it won’t work for me, i guess.
i would rather prefer to love and get hurt (this is unavoidable) in the process of finding someone that i would like to spend my whole life with.
My dilemma is that I am now in a system where arranged marriages are still predominant but it doesn’t quite work for me. There’s a modern arranged marriage system that’s developed. It’s practiced more in the US than here, but also here. In this method, parents or family does the introduction, but the rest is left to the guy and the girl. They usually meet and hang out, spend time together and then decide if they want to take things forward. It’s not exactly love marriage but it’s not a traditional arranged marriage either. Being 1.5 Generation Indian, I cannot really do an arranged marriage. Unfortunately for me, the people who could help me with the modern arranged marriage method really aren’t useful because they would be introducing me to folks that I would just not be compatible with due to them having limited foreign exposure. It’s a big problem now I am facing. Single at 40 is going to be my mantra sooner than I think.
oh…that’s really sad. but i believe, if you are willing to cross your cultural boundaries, you can make a change — although i guess, it would be so difficult. but being single at 40, especially if you’re a guy, doesn’t hurt much compared to being single at 40 when you’re a woman. but as i have read somewhere, you can have a love and at the same time, arranged marriage. i wish you the best!